Mr.Game
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Posts: 34
01:10 PM 02/09/2010

Treyarch messed everything up now!

Public RANKED dedicated servers are NOT going to release with server files. Even if they do release the files for unranked servers, it's still very displeasing to have, the majority of pubs play on ranked servers anyways.

Gameservers.com is now the 'exclusive' GSP to host servers for CoD: Black Ops. Meaning they can now monopolize the prices for hosting because there will be no competition.

Call of Duty Black Ops will also be going through Steam and using VAC as the anti-cheat.

I think that this is terrible news and very disappointing to all PC gaming communities.

SOURCE: https://twitter.com/JoshPeckler

Here are all the tweets Josh has posted thus far:

There is an improved server browser on the pc for codblackops
Matchmaking on the pc is just letting the game pick a server in codblackops
There will be a Spectator mode in codblackops on the pc
These are all from my interview with @pcdev
There are no public server files... @tgn is full of it...
The pc sku will have "/record" and the theatre mode
codblackops will be a steam exclusive game using VAC
Unranked servers will be fully customisable! Ranked I think you can customise the map/gametypes!
Let's do this! First off dedis will be rented from GameServers only! Unranked and ranked! Fully customisable!

NOTE: THIS IS NOT MY RESEARCH! I got all of this information from the RGN forums, I am simply passing it along for everyone else to be informed of what is going on.

They have also posted a graphic and said it may be freely distributed. (PICTURE)

Snakelet
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01:34 PM 02/09/2010

I guess this just proves it Falcar. I told you they would pull a BC2 manouver and lock us to crappy server providers where we can't run awesome mods. FAIL. Say goodbye to sales Treyarch!

I guess all we gotta do now is place bets on how long before Activi$ion pulls a swifty on Treyarch, causing them to collapse and migrate to Respawn.

Maybe its time to start fundraising and saving towards developing our own game

I like the line: "Fully customisable" ('OMG u can disable these perks, make it hardcore, change team limits...this is like teh epic most customisable game EVAR!!!1)

Freddy
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01:44 PM 02/09/2010

pffft... why are all the producers these days making the exact same mistakes... and making it exclusive to one service provider, i cant imagine that they would have servers reasonably in every country allowing decent pings... all in all it makes it look fail... again

Snakelet
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01:57 PM 02/09/2010

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/9/2/activision-allows-dedicated-servers-with-cod-black-ops-but-theree28099s-a-catch.aspx
(Yes, the first comment was by me...yay!)

And the official announcement from Gameservers.com
http://www.gameservers.com/corporate/article.php?id=1730

Please send all your feedback to this decision to this address.

I guess we will have to continue making Obscurity and HitLoc as epic as possible, with the last good game of the franchise.

Mr.Game
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02:31 PM 02/09/2010

I didn't go into detail with the Gameservers official announcement... I probably could've included that but I tried to make things short... Thanks for finding the link Snakelet (I seem to had lost it with all the other forums I have open).

As my reply to most of this, I'd sure love to see Gameservers.com's faces when they see all the support tickets coming in from all the YOUNG server renters for Black Ops... I'm quite sure most of the senior gamers of the CoD series aren't going to be purchasing anything (especially if Gameservers raises their prices).

Other notes: If we can't improve on Obscurity or HitLoc anymore on the CoD4's engine, then perhaps we can swap with an engine that's more giving in the future?

I hear the Unreal Engine 3 is very nice for game devs/modders. I would love to see Obscurity in it's own game.

Snakelet
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05:09 PM 02/09/2010

And I quote....from myself:

"The reason for this is so they can scam more money from us. You see by the community buying up servers from whoever they want, Activi$ion doesn't get any money from that. So they force us to 'exclusive' servers, which they can scab a percentage of money from each sale.

Ridiculous and killing the modding community and clans.

~Snakelet"

Unreal Engine is pretty sweet, but Falcar doesn't want to go there just yet.

Pobre
 

Posts: 17
08:47 PM 02/09/2010

Perhaps we should wait a little.

I agree with Snakelet, UE3 is a really nice engine, I got my UT3 here original :3
But, just to complete, UDK, Unreal Development Kit.
No Commercial game -> free distribute by license.

But of course, there is a lot of engines that can be cappable to do what we want with Obscurity/MTX/HitLoc and make the way we want (Falcar, Snakelet, I am just the guy who plays and screams WHOA), As idTech... anyone remember RAGE? Oh yeah, this will be awesome engine... and who knows, even make a linux/mac version?

But let's wait for the best... until there, COD4 limits are the skies.

Freddy
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09:19 PM 02/09/2010

what sort of map editor does UE3 have? if it runs off of steams hammer then good, but i dont like radiant...

Freddy
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Posts: 84
09:33 PM 02/09/2010

just looking at that vid and what the hell... miniguns, multi shot rocket launcers, knives that are shot out of a tube... what the hell is goin on, this does not bode well for obscurity

Pobre
 

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09:34 PM 02/09/2010

If is a matter of fact, Radiant is the best map editor... UE3 has UnrealEditor so... No way to make better maps than this. :)

Freddy
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09:45 PM 02/09/2010

i prefer hammer over radiant, because of its multi simultaneous views of front  top and side, but i havent played around with radiant a hell of a lot because it crashed on vista...

Pobre
 

Posts: 17
10:14 PM 02/09/2010

I'm not home to show you that Radiant can do the same with the Views.... my Radiant for Q3 is 3 views wireframed (1 for left/right (I keep swapping, 1 for top, 1 for bottom) and 1 textured (free camera).

Good enough for me... But I could change these 3 views into textured, but this is my preference, so I can make it perfect size. :)

Mr.Game
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10:18 PM 02/09/2010

You guys are getting VERY off-topic here... lol

Pobre
 

Posts: 17
10:52 PM 02/09/2010

Kinda... a controlled flood lol

But I think is the best to wait until the games release to see what will happen... I heard EA is going to break up Contracts with Gameservers... But let's wait.

Falcar
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11:25 PM 02/09/2010

yep not buying it. mass boycott kthx

Freddy
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12:00 AM 03/09/2010

Snakelet
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04:15 AM 03/09/2010

Pobre, if we can't mod from the get-go, then we will be boycotting it. By restricting server hosting, it means we cannot provide servers for our mods unless we fork out a heap of money to gameservers.com for a server, just so Activi$ion can steal a percentage each month. We are also stuck with gameservers' stupid console tools and restrictions to run the server. There will be no waiting.

BOYCOTT INITIATED!

Obs_XLM
 

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05:08 AM 03/09/2010

Boycotting or not the things will not change, the same happened with mw2 and the game still has record sales. I play on servers in Brazil because i live here and i went to see on www.gameservers.com the Call of Duty: Black OPS Dedicated Server Locations and to my surprise there is no host in our country. They ask you to suggest a location LOL...!!! I'll buy the game because I have all the series Call of Duty in my pc but i already know, the system hosting and management of servers will be a s---...!!!

P.S.

Sorry for my bad english

Falcar
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06:05 AM 03/09/2010

maybe boycotting doesn't work because people like you fold?

Obs_XLM
 

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03:49 PM 03/09/2010

Not Falcar, boycotting doesn't work because people like you are the minority...

Sorry...

Mr.Game
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04:52 PM 03/09/2010

The main reasons Call of Duty Modern Warfare and World at War stayed the top games was because they had support from the communities!

Support that has now diminished since MW2.

Without modding/mapping tools, no one would like to explore the game any further to see what secrets it holds. I'm quite sure If CoD4 didn't have custom mods or maps, there would be fewer players. Tournaments would hardly exist because 1: Promod/PAM4 wouldn't exist, and 2: PunkBuster would probably cease to exist without all of it's current community support.

Sure, you may go out and buy Black Ops. But if you're one of those people that love clans/COMMUNITIES, then you're going to be out of luck. Most of the current clans are still in CoD4/WaW and out of all of those, only a sixth of them support MW2. Most of the 'clans' you're going to find in MW2 are going to be groups of kids with their own tags because it makes them feel better showing off that they have tags and you don't.

Sure boycotting might not work in showing them they were wrong. But without the support from communities, the games they release in the future will not turn out the way they want in numbers.

I'm quite sure they didn't want to release the server files to the public because they were scarred of people creating cracked servers. But if you think about it, what would a few cracked servers be compared to tons of true servers if they were to release the tools and server files?

From the modders that are commenting on other forums: "how can they expect to release the modding/mapping tools without server files? How are we able to test and troubleshoot our own mods if we can't even host local servers?"

... Could that mean we won't be seeing modding/mapping tools for Black Ops?

Other things to bring to light...

GSP's (Game Server Provider's) are most-likely to go out of business because people don't want to boycott. Remember, GameServers.com is the 'exclusive' host for Black Ops. And for the people that own their own server boxes that were preparing for Black Ops, what will happen to all that money they just spent? In the economy we live in currently, I don't see why Activision/Treyarch would pull such a move that would make many people lose money and jobs.

Well, this is all the information I've been gathering so far with my own opinions added in...

If you've read through it this far, what do you think about all of this?

Obs_XLM
 

Posts: 39
07:56 PM 03/09/2010

I think you're right ...

I have two servers one of cod4 and the other of codwaw, my pc games all with original key but my server is cracked because in Brazil original server don't work...!!! Nobody play on original servers because the most people don't have key to play on this servers. We love cod4 and waw just because are two fantastic games and that allow modifications like Obscurity-MoD. I love the series Call of Duty, i have all games, and is really sad we can not modify these games but will not be for that reason i will not buy the game.

Pobre
 

Posts: 17
09:36 PM 03/09/2010

Yes, MOST of us (brazilians) dont have 20 bucks to buy a epic game... this is a shame... because most of us think, "Why should I pay if I can download it?", go make a game and try to sell it and see 2 people buying and putting on Bay of Pirates... That's feels good huh? :P

the server of my Clan, BloodCulture was until july, original server, all our members that played til there had bought their own copy, this was about 80 people, now we had cracked and got some new players (about... 3?) But that doesn't matter.

I will not buy BO if we cannot have dedicated servers, that's why I still love id Software and Epic (UT). That's why I recommend to do something with their engine, because it can be distributed freely with no royalty, and dedicated servers... And the game doesn't get 6 or 8gb as STEAM (Alien Swarm, great game, but we have to get the base of HL2, that's why is 2gb).

 IMAGINE FAIL IMAGE FOR ACTIVISION

Mr.Game
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09:58 PM 03/09/2010

EDIT:

Getting back on topic...

I sure hope they will see their mistakes after they release Black Ops. If not, I guess we'll have to wait for a different company to give us everything we need. I hear Red Orchestra 2 might come out strong... I guess we'll just have to wait and see...

Pobre
 

Posts: 17
10:41 PM 03/09/2010

My mistake, I just found and thought... funny! I am working so I didn't realize what have I do.